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And that is where I point out that it is roleplaying. A tulpa that is entirely parroted is equivalent to a roleplay character.

I would not think these tulpas are completely parroted.

A tulpa is capable of being a "real tulpa" but still having a character-like personality, especially if they're young.

I would also point out - roleplaying has certainly decreased... here.

There was one person who flatout said that she pretends to be her tulpa, and calls it switching

I can't speak for other communities, naturally - but the amount of roleplayers (or detectable ones, at least) has decreased significantly as compared to when Skye used to administrate.

The behavior you are talking about is in other servers, much moreso than here.

6:57 PM

The tulpahangout, being one that comes to mind.

Tulpa Hideout?

I mean, some aspects of my own personality are character-like, and I'm not a tulpa

Yes, Apollo.

Yeah, def that one

That is my concern, then.

6:58 PM

@Abvieon {Alex} You misunderstand - Many people have "character-like" traits.

@Abvieon {Alex} what I think by character tulpas are tulpas who solidly adhere to a trope and never grow past it

These tulpa tend to be very one dimensional. Very "girly" to the point that it an offensive caricature of femininity.

I've mentioned this before when you may not have been here, but there are people who would make "tulpas" where a singular caricatured trait is the totality of how they act.

"The asshole" "the angel" "the shy one" etc

Exactly.

Yeah, I have definitely seen that before

[Mah, myself I don't see no reason to act like other physical people do. That said there probably exists someone as goofy as me somewhere XD]

I do believe I started off in this way, as did my tulpa. As a character archetype.

Cadence is a bit more subtle if I want to be particularly critical, but I would not just use that as a way of 'determining' if somebody is roleplaying.

7:01 PM

My concern is when it leads people to advise others in a way that literally does not make sense, or make claims that are directly inconsistent with how the brain works (to the best of the research I have read, at least). (edited)

I do think archetypes are useful in creating a tulpa.

Something to take into account is that many tulpas will not have the same life experience as a host , in the sense that they will have little to no responsibilities and live a sheltered lifestyle, making it easier to fall into the trap of behaving in a one dimensional way for the rest of their lives, simply because they are never pushed to grow past that (edited)

The issue is the lack of self growth.

Eh

7:02 PM

We made two tulpas with no personality forcing whatsoever and they developed perfectly fine

People grow, they evolve over time with experience. These "roleplayers" do not.

7:02 PM

I did not personality force my tulpa. I am not saying that you should or should not.

Ah

My friends have had their tulpas for more than five years.

It's very likely that tulpas will be stagnant in their personal growth in large systems

7:04 PM

And large systems I think are more likely to be roleplay...

I don't recommend it, but as long as people are open to the idea of personal growth and actively encourage growth, excellent.

Whether or not it's intentional

7:04 PM

Since, large systems aren't going to give their tulpas a chance to learn and grow

You do not recommend what?

If there are so many

"Personality forcing".

Why is it that you think large systems are more likely to roleplay? Does it have something to do with the overall type of person that would create a large system?

Quite frankly, I see it more as telling the tulpa what they should be, rather than letting them grow naturally.

I do know a person who claims have hundreds of tulpas.

Oh jeez

Somebody who would make a huge system does not value tulpas as people

7:05 PM

They value them as accessories

@Abvieon {Alex} Large systems, at minimum, have the issue of brain capability and simulltaneous activity being impossible beyond a few.

Characters

Err. I cannot get into How I feel about personality forcing right now. (edited)

I've never personality forced, from what I know it's generally better to let your tulpa develop their own personality

When people start claiming hundreds of developed tulpas, I would question them solely on the basis of how they actually had the time to spend forcing all of them - whether they or their other tulpas were doing so.

It is

This person also claims to have it like a massive populated world in their head. Even having wars between tulpa cities.

I'm nothing like how my host intended, cause personality doesn't actually work that way :P

Right.

7:07 PM

That, quite clearly, looks like an exercise in creative thought far more than actual tulpas.

7:07 PM

In my eyes, comparing that to actual tulpas is actually insulting.

There have been some DID cases with hundreds of systemmates, so it is not impossible for tulpas either. Wouldn't exactly be fun, though.

Can you cite a source for that claim?

DID doesn't equate to tulpas, though, necessarily.

7:09 PM

I'd be interested in seeing sources for that, too! :>

https://traumadissociation.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/polyfragmented-did1/

did-isnt-rare http://traumadissociation.wordpress.com

Polyfragmented Dissociative Identity Disorder facts

Polyfragmented Dissociative Identity Disorder DID (or the similar form of DDNOS) sometimes involves a very large number of alternate identities (also known as alters, alternate personalities, perso…

Thank you! I'll read up on it.

7:10 PM

I have a very small system, so it's interesting to me to read up on systems with many more.

I actually see DID as being very similar to tulpamancy, read this to see why: https://redd.it/811a4n

DID and tulpas are not as different as they are made out to be •...

You might be seeing the title and thinking that I am implying that tulpas are a bad thing, or that Dissociative Identity Disorder is a good thing...

We had many more and it was awful, hah

they are both forms of plurality, there's bound to be some similarities

True!

I would question whether those DID patients are actually experiencing something comparable to tulpas, or something more similar to switching personality states.

There's definitely a difference between a personality state and your tulpa. At least I can feel a difference. Definitely.

That isn't to say they aren't legitimate, but I personally doubt it is the same kind of multiplicity.

And what is a personality state

Ahhh, system alter, I believe.

7:13 PM

Never heard it be phrased as personality state before though.

That's a circular definition

7:14 PM

an alter is a personality state

Ah, no. I wasn't referring to a circular definition. Moreso a discussion Jas, Harleen, and I all had one evening.

7:16 PM

We were comparing and contrasting tulpas to personality states - using the more mundane example of personality changing depending on context, but it being the same "person".

7:16 PM

Granted, DID has significant difference with that as well...

[With DID it seems the actual experience can differ as much as with any other plurality. So some might as well work like stereotypical tulpa systems and others very differently]

With all this talk of 100 tulpas, our system should just make 100 Touhou tulpas some day. Very little personality forcing required since we know them all so well.

1:18 AM

Realistically though, they'll simply be dream characters, no tulpadom.

that sounds like a terrible idea

A TV show would have a hard time fitting in 100 characters, let alone one mind.,...

Yes, I'm joking. But if anyone was in a position to make 100 real tulpas, it'd be us.

lol

Otherwise requires some mental condition or.. unnatural dedication.

I think it would be nobody lol

I would point out the person that claimed to have over 200 tulpas, primarily featuring the entire cast of super smash bros (including all costume alterations).

Well, Touhou consists of well over 100 characters who we're familiar with enough to name here and now.

XD

Tulpas aren't characters thooo

Pink Falcon's such a charmer

1:21 AM

But man, gray falcon..

1:21 AM

Don't even get me started on unsaturated Falcon

How many do you have now Flandre?

It's just the four of us and host.

So 5?

Sure, six if you count one voluntarily inactive 99.999% of the time.